Find a different ``sub`` for plumbing on the Sunnyvale job
Uh, call Wilkins, see if he`ll give us fifteen more days for payment
Kevin?
There`s a guy getting out of a cab that looks a lot like your brother Mike
What the hell are you doing here?
I don`t knoW God...oh...
Hi, Katie Hi, Mike. HoW you doing?
Oh...
Sandy Wilson, my brother, Mike
Hello
Hello. Nice to meet you, Sandy
Come on. I`ll shoW you around
Yeah... Linda Maloney my brother, Mike
Hi Linda Maloney...
Uh, Merle Sorenson, my brother
Hi Nice to meet you
So Where`s Bingta? Bingta, my Wife
She`s in Oregon
I Was in Atlanta
I`m going back tomorroW but I hadn`t
seen you in aWhile and I thought my brother needed a hug, here
My little brother...
The business looks good?
Yeah! Gotta stay on top of it every minute, you knoW
It falls apart
Move and shake
Fuck!
Sorry, nice toss
Be careful of snakes
HoW`s Oregon?
It`s not NeW Mexico
I`m stepping on some toes
Yeah, What`s neW?
No, this time it`s different
I gotta clean house I found some things that aren`t right
You serious about snakes?
I killed a moccasin doWn here three Weeks ago
Alright. This ball`s lost
I gotta really move
Gotta make the plane, huh?
Things okay?
I should say goodbye to Katie
Nah, let her sleep
Come on,I get it
Well, I...You knoW I think I like the one With that patio
This one? Yeah, that`s it
Um-hmm, Okay
Kevin, you`ve got a long distance call from Oregon
Katie Will take it
She`s got `em on hold
It`s important
One second. I`ll be right back. Thanks
Hello?
Can I speaking With Kevin Francke?
Yes
Uh, Kevin, this is Dick Peterson
I`m the Deputy Director of the Department of Corrections in Oregon
What`s going on?
Look, I`m sorry to have to tell you this
But your brother Mike has been murdered
We`re all in a state of shock here, Kevin
His body Was found after midnight up at Dome Building Where he Worked
An alarm had gone out for him earlier around eight o`clock
Because his car had been found open in the parking lot
We did a search of the building but We didn`t find him there
Uh...he Was shot, I believe At least that`s What I heard
His Wife, Bingta, apparently`s out of toWn at her mother`s
Do you happen to have that number?
Kevin?
Are...are you there?
Kevin?
Yeah Hi, I`m Jim Glaister
I Worked for your brother
We`ve already got your brother Pat
Hey, listen, I`m very sorry about this
What do you knoW about What happened?
Uh, did they tell you Michael Was stabbed in front of the Dome Building?
I heard he Was shot
No, I think he Was stabbed yesterday evening around seven or eight o`clock
Give me a big one
The Governor
Hi, I`m Neil
Bingta, I`m sorry
Pat Francke Hi, Pat. My condolences
Thank you
That leaves Kevin? Kevin, I`m sorry
This is, uh, Dale Penn district attorney for Merriam County
Sit doWn, please. Let`s all sit doWn
I Want to say hoW
deeply hurt and troubled I am by Mike`s death
and to tell you that if there`s absolutely anything We can do for the family
that the state of Oregon can do
We`ll be more than happy to do it
NoW let me stress this
you`re not to Worry
About your expenses through this Whole thing, alright?
We`re as much a family business as We are a state government
And believe me
We Will do everything Within our poWers to find the perpetrator of this crime
You think it Was one person?
Dale, Why don`t you tell these good people What you can at this time, please?
Well, there`s not much actually
Your brother`s car
Your husband`s, Ma`am
Was parked in front of the Dome Building
The Way We see it he Was stabbed at the car and then
Staggered over to the North Portico before he died
The WindoW Was broken there as if he tried to get in
I hope you understand it`s very important in a case like this
Not to let the public knoW everything
The investigators have to hold back a certain amount just so
They have something to check Witnesses stories against
In other Words, no talking to the press
Is that agreed?
When Dick Peterson called me and tell me that Mike Was dead
He said they conducted a search for him earlier in the evening
Around eight o`clock. Is that right?
Um-hmm
But they couldn`t find him
Then his body`s found in front of the building five hours later
Does this sound right to you?
That`s obviously one of the things We`re looking into
When he Was discovered missing Were the Police called?
No
Did he have his Wallet?
He had his Watch and his Wallet
Was any money taken?
No
Anything missing from his car?
Not that We knoW of
Well
What about the autopsy? I mean...can We have a copy of that?
What can We do?
You`re going to have to trust us With some of these matters
We`re at the very early stage of this investigation and at
This point We`re not even certain of everything We have
Does that mean ``no``?
For the moment, I`m afraid so
Where`s the North Portico?
That`s Where your brother`s car Was parked
You coming?
Yeah, in a minute
Kevin? Yes
Jack SteWart, Head of the Criminal Division State Police
We Were just telling the others hoW sorry We are about this business
Thank you
Kevin, this is Mary Flynn Mike`s secretary
Hi Hello
Mike spoke often of you
Thanks
Look, We can`t get into his office until the police arrive
So Why don`t We just come back?
Okay
Hey, Kevin this is Sergeant Gordon Unsoeld
He`s in charge of the investigation
Under my direction, of course
Uh, can I speak With you for a minute?
Yeah Over here, if that`s okay
I need to ask you these questions and it`s be better ask them noW
If it`s alright With you?
Yeah, sure
Was your brother a heavy gambler?
Did he ever play poker?
College That`s all?
He Was a casual poker player in the Way a lot of people are
But he Was in no Way...
He didn`t pursue the sport
Did he have a lot of girlfriends?
Any girlfriends you knoW of?
No. None that I knoW of
What We`re looking at noW is your brother probably
surprised someone Who Was burglarizing his car
There Was a scuffle and your brother ended up dead
These things happen all the time
``Car clouts`` We call `em
A feW months ago a state senator Was attacked
A couple of blocks from here bike burglary
NoW, if they kill you for your bike around here
They`ll certainly kill you for your car
Don`t Worry
We Will catch the son-of-a-bitch Who did this
You see any targets?
No clay pigeons, nothing
You knoW about this?
He checked out a riot gun last Weekend
Is this a habit of his?
No
I mean, What Was he shooting at?
He Wanted to get the handling doWn It`s just not any shotgun
You can Wreak havoc With it if you don`t knoW hoW to use it
Uh, Mister Francke?
Kevin Francke? Yes
Can We get an intervieW With you?
Uh, no, sorry. I can`t talk to you guys We`ve got instructions from the D.A.
May I ask you a question, off the record?
No, I mean, there`s really nothing I can talk about
Uh, look. Here`s my card
Please take it and if you feel like calling anytime
Just do it
You knoW there are people around this state
Who thought your brother might be Governor one day
Best of luck
TWo years ago he came to Oregon as Governor Neil Goldschmidt`s
Main architect in overhauling the state`s overcroWded prisons
Today in Salem, Merriam County District Attorney Dale Penn
held a neWs conference
At Which he revealed neW information on the murder of Michael Francke
I Want to inform you that We have a suspect
A man
About six feet tall With medium length dark hair
Wearing dark pants and a tan trenchcoat
An eyeWitness saW him running aWay from the scene of the crime
We`re also looking for a man With olive skin
Wearing a pin-stripe suit
Who Was seen inside the Dome Building at about six-thirty that evening
He`s not a suspect but the police Would like to talk to him
Any questions? Dale?
Mister Penn?
Dale. Did he have a motive?
Well, We`re not ruling anything out at this point
It could be revenge for something or a car burglar With a knife
Michael Francke, dead at forty-tWo
This is John Nelson in Salem
Department of Corrections this is Jana speaking...
Could you tell me What time the Dome Building closes in the evening?
Five o`clock
Is it locked then?
Yes, sir
That means you have to have a key to get in, right?
I believe so Who am I speaking to please?
Oregon State Police
Yes. Could I speak With Sergeant Unsoeld, please?
This is Kevin Francke
One moment
Hello, Kevin?
Sergeant, have you found the man in the pinstripe suit
Who Was spotted in the Dome Building the guy you Wanted to talk to?
No
Do you knoW Who he is?
No
Is he a suspect?
No
Why not?
There`s no reason to believe he had anything to do
With the murder of your brother
HoW can you knoW that if you don`t knoW Who he is?
He Was in the building an hour and half after the building Was locked
NoW, he had to have a key or somebody had to let him in
Why isn`t he a suspect?
Because he doesn`t fit your car burglary theory?
No
Sergeant, I Was thinking that our family Would like to have his body studied
By a forensic specialist
He`s buried, Kevin We`ll dig him up
We`ve already done an autopsy
Our family`s not going to knoW What`s in your autopsy
Kevin, I can`t release
An autopsy Without Dale Penn`s permission
Kevin? Line One
Yeah Kevin
This is Major SteWart
I`ve got a conference call With Dale Penn
Hello Hello, Kevin
I understand you Want to have an independent autopsy done?
Yeah
There`s no reason to put yourself or your family through that ordeal
We`ll send the autopsy report over
Great. When?
Look, Kevin...
He Was stabbed through the heart There Were tWo
possibly three stab Wounds to the chest
Virtually nothing else save the Wounds to his hands
Which Were probably defensive... Come on, Kevin, they`re Waiting
Sssh! Wait a minute ...or What he received knocking out the
...WindoW in the Portico door Sorry, Dale I Was interrupted
What about his hands?
The Wounds to his hands Were probably defensive Wounds
The Wounds he received knocking out the WindoW of the Portico door
That`s all the Wounds there are
Hey, Dale When you send the autopsy report
Would you please send me some pictures of my brother`s body?
I don`t think I understand
Well, like police photos of my brother`s body
The Way it Was found?
I`m trying to put together in my head What actually happened
But With absolutely nothing to Work With
They`re Waiting for you Okay, We`ll do that
Dale, my brother had told me
That he had found something in the corrections department
And that he Was gonna have to ``clean house``
NoW, I think that has something to do With his murder
You got that, Major?
Yes, Sir
You gonna be alright, Kevin?
Yeah. Yeah, I Will be
Thanks
Is this What you`re looking for?
One, tWo
Seven?
Kevin, What...?
Kevin
Kevin, What happened?
The autopsy report they only sent half of it
And What they did send They blacked out most of it!
Let`s talk about it What the fuck to talk about?
My God! This is all the fuckin` police!
Channel Four NeWs, John Nelson here
This is Kevin Francke Mike Francke`s brother?
I Was Wondering Why the man in the pinstripe suit is not a suspect?
Is this off the record?
No, no. This is not off the record
I Want to talk to somebody about What`s going on
A Week after Michael Francke Was murdered
Investigators released a description
Of a man observed running from the scene
Police believe he is the killer
They also said they Were seeking information
On a man in a pinstripe suit
Who Was seen inside the Dome Building at about six thirty
A half hour before Francke Was killed
The State Police commissioned one of Oregon`s best police artists to draW
A composite from Witnesses descriptions
NoW, they`ve shoWn it
To the employees inside the Dome Building
But for reasons best knoWn to investigators
Have refused to release it to the public
Nevertheless, Channel Four NeWs
Yesterday acquired a copy of this composite
Do you knoW this man?
Who is he?
He`s on that phone noW Kevin Francke
He`s revving up his motorcycle
Kevin!
HoW you doing?
Fine
You?
Listen, do you, uh, knoW. Who the man
Was that saW the man running aWay from the Dome Building?
You knoW the Witness that the cops talked about?
Want a cup of coffee?
Okay, I`m ready
John, should I stand here? Yes, you`re fine
Kevin Francke Why did you move to Salem?
I`m here to investigate Mike`s murder
You`re not satisfied With the job the State police are doing?
I just think they`re spending too much time investigating the idea
That my brother`s murder Was the, Uh
Random act of a lone car burglar
But Mike told me shortly before he Was killed that
He had found something in the Corrections Department
And he Was gonna have to clean house
I think that he uncovered a criminal element in his department
And Was killed to keep it from being exposed
Did you give this information
To Merriam County District Attorney Dale Penn?
Yes...yes
Look...
There`s no evidence at all of a conspiracy
That involves Michael Francke
I`m not involved in a cover-up
It`s my number one goal to solve this case
More than tWo thousand people Most of them students
Marched in Esticata today to protest drunken driving
A mother and three children Were killed earlier this Week
When they Were struck from behind
By a suspected drunken driver as they Walked along a highWay
Sunshine and blue skies for tomorroW`s Rose Festival Parade
Marty EdWards With the Weather after this
Channel Four NeWs This is John Nelson
Hi, it`s me
We found the Witness
He`s a maintenance man at the Dome Building
Kevin, this is Wayne Hunsucker
HoW you doing? Hey, Kevin
It`s nice to meet you You too
Mister Hunsucker says he`ll tell us What he knoWs
Great
What I said Was
I Wondered What took them so long to find me
I`ll tell you What I told the police Okay
I Was coming out of that door and it Was just after seven
And I Was going along here and I Was going to my car up there
And it Was right about here that I heard this sound
Like somebody had his breath knocked out
You knoW kind of ``unh!`` a grunt sound
And I just turned
And just for a fraction of a second
I saW these tWo guys facing each other by that sign there
And then they separated
The one guy
He runs off that Way
He stops at the street, he Walks across it
Goes out behind that generator and come around that building there
At the same time this guy takes off running
This guy, he turns, Walks across there and then up the steps
Do the police think the guy
Who Walked up the steps Was my brother?
Yeah
Did you identify him as my brother?
No
What about the guy Who ran?
I mean, his back Was to me
I saW him for a second
You knoW he looked like a businessman to me
You knoW, he didn`t look like anybody Who came from ``underneath the bridge``
Could you identify him?
No. I...
Wait
HoW big Was the guy Who Walked up the steps?
Geez...
six foot, give or take an inch
Maybe a hundred seventy-five hundred eighty pounds
Was he Wearing glasses?
I couldn`t see that
If I stabbed you in the chest you`d double over, right?
Yeah, but it Wasn`t like that
I mean, if Was just...
Like tWo guys Who Were standing there talking to each other for aWhile
Just...normal conversation
Sergeant I spoke With Wayne Hunsucker
And I Was Wondering Why the man
He saW Walking up the steps to the Dome Building
Wasn`t as much a suspect as the man He saW running aWay?
Your brother`s body Was found in the Portico, that`s Why
Yeah, but the man Hunsucker saW Walk up the steps hadn`t
Just been stabbed in his heart
You don`t knoW that
You think I could stab you through your heart
And you`d casually Walk aWay? The guy Hunsucker saW
Did not even use the banister going up the steps
Look
Your brother left his office at a certain time
There`s a time frame here
NoW, in all probability the man Hunsucker saW
Was your brother
According to Hunsucker
The man he saW Was maybe six feet a hundred eighty pounds at the most
My brother Would have been six-foot-five in his coWboy boots
Which he Was Wearing at the time
And tWo hundred and thirty-five pounds
NoW, that`s a fifty-five pound difference
NoW, my brother Was Wearing glasses Hunsucker didn`t see any glasses
Hunsucker`s general description of the guy
Isn`t even close to the general description of my brother
NoW, come on. Don`t you think We could Work With a higher level
Of probability than that?
HoW about my brother Was already dead up on the porch
When Hunsucker saW his tWo men?
What about the sound he heard?
Maybe that Was Mike up on the Portico collapsing?
I don`t knoW. Shit!
Where`s his knife?
The guy running aWay Where`s the knife?
Huh? Hunsucker turned When he heard the sound
And the guy runs aWay Where`s his knife?
Hunsucker did not see a knife
If your brother`s already dead up on the Portico
What is this guy doing going back up there?
If he Were the murderer he`d be getting out of there
What if it Were a person Who Worked in Corrections?
What if it Was somebody Who could account for his being there?
If interrupted, he Would say
``Oh, geez I just found Mike`s body here``
You think of that?
Kevin
We`re this close
You still think it`s just one man Who did this?
Be patient
We`ve almost got it
He Wanted to knoW everything staff involvement...
It Was in the middle of...
Hey
listen
There`s an attorney in the building here
Who says he has something We might be interested in
He defended a Woman Who shot her sometime- boyfriend
A couple of Weeks after Michael Was killed
Kevin! Come on in
I`d, uh, like you to meet Liz
Elizabeth Godlove and her sister, Karen Tate
Hi
Okay, uh...
...Gary, you can just see her outline right?
You can`t see her face?
We hope this Will protect your anonminity
Comfortable?
I`m fine
Did Tim Natividad ever talk about killing someone?
What he said Was
He Was threatening to take my life and he said he could kill me very easily
Because he had killed a man before
Do you think it`s possible Tim Natividad killed Michael Francke?
I Wouldn`t put it past him to do that
Any other reason?
A picture I saW on T.V. of a man seen in the Dome Building
Looked like Tim to me and I said
``Oh, my God that looks like Tim to me``
Which picture? The composite draWing of the man
With the moustache in the pinstripe suit?
Yeah
Did he ever mention talk about contract killing?
He just told me that he had committed crimes
And that he Was ``big time``
Did you ever hear anyone talk about killing for hire?
His little brother Tad asked me
If someone had hired me to kill Tim Is that What you mean?
What did you ansWer?
No
God, no
Why Would he ask that?
Umm... Okay, okay
Somebody Want to hit the lights?
That Was very helpful, Liz
Do you have a picture of Tim?
I have one at home
Him and Anthony
My son
Did you ever tell the police you thought the man
In the composite Was Tim Natividad?
Oh, yeah, I told them
They laughed in my face
They said you can`t convict a dead man
I Wish We had that on tape
Yeah?
Who?
Yeah?
Yeah...okay, thanks...
There`s other media doWnstairs
It Wasn`t me, Paul
Liz, you Want to talk to these people?
I knoW the Way out, I live here
I can get you doWn to High Street
And you Won`t even bump into these folks, okay?
Okay
Karen, We`ll send someone around to get those photos
Okay! You`d better move!
Hey, Liz? Miss?
Um...
Would you like to go out to dinner sometime, maybe...
Have dinner?
Would you like that?
I`m moving...
...tonight...
...and tomorroW, so...
This my neW address
Friday at six o`clock okay?
Sure
You got a phone?
No
Thank you! Yeah. Nice to meet you
Did you get it?
That`s him...
That`s him...Geez...that`s...Jesus that`s him!
There`s a vague resemblance
Vague? This is the same guy!
Well, We shoWed photos of Natividad to the people
Who saW the man in the Dome Building and they didn`t feel it Was the same guy
Did you shoW them this photo?
ShoW them this photo You can shoW them this photo. Here...
Believe me. We looked into this and nothing came of it
Kevin
Look. This Woman
Godlove Was making up stuff to try and paint the guy
She killed in a bad light to get her ass out of a sling
NoW don`t believe everything everybody tells you
Sergeant these are pictures of the same guy
NoW, come on - look at his eyes
See, his nose? Huh?
See the mustache hoW it goes over like that?
I mean look at the little thing on his chin?
See, that`s exactly the same
And this is a drug pusher and he`s in the Dome Building after it Was closed
Don`t get involved With these people Kevin. They`re dangerous
What people?
You have no idea What you`re getting into
What people you talking about?
Hey
You found me
Come in
You Want a beer?
Sure
Is this your son?
Yep
Is he here?
He`s back tomorroW
My Mom and her husband took the grandkids doWn
to Disneyland for a feW days
So, uh
Are you still up for dinner?
ShoW me your place
What Was that sound?
It Was my beeper
I`ve got to make a call
Mine`s shut off
What`s in your briefcase?
Gun
Do you mind?
Can I see you again?
I`m here
Where Were you?
It`s five o`clock in the morning
Where Were you?
With Liz
God, Kevin
You Weren`t at the office I thought maybe you Were dead
Look, they`ve got a man they say murdered your brother
in the Coos Bay jail
Frank Gable - he`s been there aWhile
NoW, he`s picked up on other charges and We`re on our Way up there
for an intervieW
Thought you`d Want to knoW
You ever heard of him before?
No
What have investigators told you about the case?
They say they have their case
They have these certain people rolling on me
Cappy Hardin and some girl
Jodie SWearingen saying she`s seen me run aWay from there
and uh...some ``tWeakers`` Who say they heard me say I did it
Just trying to ``scare tactic`` me
Who are the people that saW him do it?
Cappy Hardin, pusher
There he is...and his girlfriend, Jodie
She`s What they call a ``bag bitch``
She goes With the guy Who has the drugs
They say that Gable Was breaking into the car
and Michael surprised him
What Were they doing there?
Cappy and Jodie?
I don`t knoW
Are We going to get to intervieW them?
I don`t knoW
What about Natividad?
He`s not part of the police scenario
What are you thinking?
This guy didn`t kill Mike
Half by himself
Gable said there`s a group of convicts
all part of the ``meth`` croWd - ``tWeaks`` are trying to set him up
to save their oWn skin or for revenge
Revenge for What?
He Was a snitch for the police
If you Were indicted on the charges of aggravated murder
and you Were offered the opportunity to plea bargain to a lesser charge
Would you?
No
Not at all
Cause I knoW see, if this case comes to trial
I`d beat it, no question in my mind
Because I knoW they need more than tWo dope fiends getting up there
telling, ``Yeah, I seen him do it``
And I knoW I`m not the killer
so I knoW they don`t have no evidence on me
So, We`re taking this trial all the Way
Hi
Hey
Anthony
Anthony, come here
Come on, Anthony!
Anthony...
Anthony!
That Was Anthony
Who`s the older boy?
Harry
He`s ten
Do you knoW Who Frank Gable is?
No
Cappy Hardin?
I`ve heard of him
And Tim?
Yeah
Do you remember anything about him?
HoW about Jodie SWearingen?
So, this guy Who Wants to meet you is an investigator for the Defense
But Kevin, this is something that`s truly betWeen us and nobody else
No-body
Okay
Hi
There you go
Hi Okay...
Kevin, this is David
It`s nice to meet ya
The SWearingen file and everything We`ve got on Natividad
Anything you can do to help us out in that area Will be appreciated
and I think We`ll be able to get you Jodie
What`s her story?
Well, she says she Was at the Dome Building With Gable
While, he Was ``jockey boxing`` cars and she called Hardin to come pick her up
He drove up just in time to see Gable kill your brother
Who had surprised him in the car
She`s eighteen and every time she tells the story
it`s a little bit different
Is she in custody?
She reports in once a Week
But she stopped doing it
What does that mean? Oh, you can`t tell With these people
Uh, those are copies of the autopsy photos
It Was nice to meet you Thanks
See you, David
What`s ``jockey boxing``?
Going through glove compartments
Wanna get something to eat?
No, I think I`ll Walk back
I just Want to look at these, you knoW?
That`ll be a bit. Later
Alright. See ya
This is What Was done to the hand that Went through the WindoW
Some bruises here
it`s like someone held his arm back
I think he Was held
I think somebody punched him in the face and, uh
it broke his glasses
Jodie
You just indicated there Was a Warrant out for you?
Yeah because I haven`t been reporting in
Reporting into Who?
The D.A.`s office the police. Gordon Unsoeld
Why aren`t you reporting?
Because I...I just don`t think they`re doing things right
HoW do you mean?
I mean if they Were doing everything right
I Wouldn`t have been able to see ``Shorty`` and talk to him tWice
I mean, it just Wouldn`t have been alloWed before We Went to the Grand Jury
And they...they Wanted to make sure that our stories jived
When you say ``Shorty`` you`re talking about the State`s
other eyeWitness Who can identify Gable as the murderer?
Yeah
You met With him before you testified to the Grand Jury?
Yeah, right before
Where Was this?
In a room?
Yeah
Why did you agree to talk to me, Jodie?
Did you have any specific thought in mind?
I just don`t Want Frank Gable to die for something he didn`t do
See this file
This binder right here?
Yeah?
There`s over thirty-six entries in it
NoW, over tWo thirds of these are statements
you apparently made to the police
Yeah?
Well, according to some of your statements
you said that you met Frank Gable the first time
on the night Mister Francke Was killed
That`s not true
Did you meet him before or after Michael Francke Was killed?
After
Could you tell me Why you said all this?
Because that is What everybody Wanted me to do
And they Were not going to let me get out
have any freedom until
I Went to the Grand Jury said in front of the Grand Jury - I mean...
I lied!
They Wanted this thing they Wanted this thing
over Worse than anybody does!
HoW do you knoW that?
Does it can... are you able to explain that to me
or is it just a feeling that you can`t explain? What?
Frank Gable is an ``escape goat``
And I mean...Man
I don`t Want to go into this anymore because all I Wanted to do
is say What needed to be said to let Frank Gable
off the hook and Whatever because he didn`t...
he didn`t do it
What? So I don`t...?
You knoW some people might interpret it that you`re
telling me all this
just to get him off as opposed to that he actually...didn`t actually do it?
Well, he didn`t actually do it
So you`re not just trying to change... No...
...your story... No...
...because all you have... No...No! No!
That`s not it!
What it is...
I`m not going to be in at the trial, okay?
That`s it! That`s all!
Uh, What do you mean...?
Why aren`t you going to be at the trial?
cause I don`t Want to be at the trial/ and I`m not going t
Uh, so you just Want to set the record straight before you leave?
Yeah, or before I die.
Whichever-one Way or the other Will you go aWay
Uh, hold on...just.... Wait a minute! Wait a minute
Go aWay! I said everything! What do you refer to that you might die?
Because I`m not going to jail!
Did you see anybody at all - anybody - kill Michael Francke?
No. I don`t Want to ansWer that
Jesus Fucking Christ! Alright, alrigh
By you not ansWering it, you knoW
it just sort of leaves it open... Fuck it!
...that you may have seen somebody kill him
No, it leaves it open either Way Whereas...
It doesn`t matter!
If you just said, ``No, you didn`t`` that Would indicate you didn`t
Right. Go aWay
Did you knoW Tim Natividad?
I don`t knoW Why you even bring that name up?
Because his name`s been in the neWs recently. That`s...
You can...can you turn off that? Just turn...turn it off!
Okay...okay...
She say anything more about Tim?
No
She Was pissed off I brought him up
She knoWs more about him
Kevin, she got out of there, man She...she Was...
I couldn`t talk to her anymore
They`re going to have to drop the charges against Gable noW, right?
Everything she says destroys their case
No. They`ll probably just say she didn`t Want to be labeled a ``snitch``
What about getting her and Hardin together before the Grand Jury?
That`s illegal, isn`t it?
It Will alWays be her Word against the police
They`ll say it didn`t happen or they`ll say...
they Were instructed not to talk about the case
and of course, they didn`t
And people Will believe them
because they need to
Kevin, you Wouldn`t even be here if it Wasn`t your brother
John got the intervieW With Jodie
When he asked her if Tim kill Mike
she asked him to turn off the camera
I felt so strongly that Tim did it
Not that I felt I had to justify What I`d done, I just...
I felt it so strongly I don`t believe it
You knoW, it all made sense
Tim came in one night limping and he had...
a Wound on his leg and he told me he`d been in a fight
You didn`t say all this When John Was intervieWing you
Well, yeah
I knoW a lot more, I think but I don`t Want to go on T.V. With it
because the Natividads live here in toWn and I`m scared to death of them
He Was threatening to kill me and my family, he...
He has a gun to make more than an hour
He...he Was trembling
and I thought I Was dead
I kneW I Was
At one point
I just kneW it
I don`t like this story
Tim fleW off the couch and
I Was just shaken, and he goes
``I`ve had it`` He goes ``I`m gonna get your family``
This is it
he`s gonna kill us
And I`m going
``Tim - Tim, like, no, stop`` And...
he`s just looking around, and he says
``Where`s my gun?`` and I just...
oh...
oh, God...
there Was a gun on the bed along With a lot of other stuff and
I grabbed it and I remember running around like...
I don`t knoW What to do I mean, I think I Was just gonna...
I Was just gonna leave, you knoW? I Was just gonna get aWay from him
And...and I couldn`t get the door open cause...
he`d locked all the locks and...
he had me...
he Was right behind me He Was gonna get me and...
I turned and I shot him
I shot tWice
I didn`t even think I hit him, you knoW?
Because I don`t knoW guns and I...
It`s okay
What?
What you did - it`s okay
I think you`re being folloWed
What do you mean?
The yelloW cab?
Cops rent `em
Are there tWo men in the front seat?
Bob Crace
Bob Crace?
I never saW him With Tim but he used to hang out With ``T.J.``
Tim`s big brother, in the old days
I think he`s somebody you could talk to
Could I help you?
Yeah, I`m Kevin Francke...
brother of Michael Francke
Miss Godlove said you might talk to me
You With Liz?
What do you Want to knoW?
Anyone live in this trailer?
Mice
Do you knoW Who killed my brother?
Well...
I Will tell you this
about tWo Weeks after the murder T.J. Natividad shoWs up here
trying to sell me computer tapes
They got ``Department of Corrections`` stamped across the bottom of them
``Where`d you get `em?`` I say
``My brother killed Michael Francke``
He said that? Yeah, he said it
He also said Tim got forty thousand dollars to do it
Did you tell the police?
Eventually
Gave me a lie detector test
After Wards the examiner says ``Say, you`re telling the truth ain`t you?``
And then?
I never heard from them again
What Was on the tapes?
Well, I heard they Were ``snitch tapes``
What`s a ``snitch tape``?
Immunity agreements With snitches
I guess somebody Wanted to knoW Who Was giving them up
Who?
Do you knoW Who?
No
Well...hoW Would they knoW my brother Would have them?
Well, they`d also have to knoW he had them on him that particular night
Wouldn`t they? And Who`s gonna knoW except somebody
in the Department of Corrections?
Every time those investigators came around here
I tried to explain Why Corrections officials Were involved
It`s got something abut drugs going into the prison
And I think your brother kneW about it
It`s like the cops Wanted that part to go aWay
Do you anyone else Who spoke to the police?
Natividad just popped into my life
One day he calls me on the phone
I never even kneW him before
I Was at my Wife`s house
in October before Francke Was killed
He starts talking to me about hoW I could take out people
Who had fucked me over
He keeps beating me, you see
because the next call
he starts saying hoW he can get me out of here
to take out somebody if I didn`t mind Who the target is
Says he`ll get me paid
if I don`t mind Where the money`s coming from
since it all comes from the same place anyWay
Do you knoW Who he Wanted you to kill?
He said ``top man`` Was getting too big and needed his arms trimmed
He says nobody Will ever find out Who took out ``top man``
And he Was gonna get you out of prison to do this?
Yeah
And pay you? Uh-huh
And guarantee that nobody`d ever Would find out?
That`s right
HoW could he do that?
You askin` me What I think?
Yeah
I thought it Was coming doWn from Corrections
Thirty days
Why?
You got any money?
About four hundred dollars
I`ll sell my cameras
HoW much you get for them?
Maybe five hundred
They`re Worth a couple of thousand
Liz...
Would you talk to John again
and maybe say some of the things you didn`t say?
They`re framing this guy Gable
You knoW these guys
These friends of Tim`s?
I figure they`re just gonna knock you off, you knoW?
No problem
I figure they`re just gonna come into my home and...
and they`re just gonna kill us all
I don`t...
I don`t Want to ignore my son
I`m so...
I`m so filled With...
You don`t have to talk to anybody
Ah...
Yes, I do
Jodie, Who killed Michael Francke?
``Rooster``
Who`s ``Rooster``?
Tim...
Tim Natividad
Was anyone else involved?
``Shorty``...``Shorty``
``Shorty`` is Cappy Hardin?
Yeah
The same Cappy Hardin Who says he saW Frank Gable kill Michael Francke?
Also the State`s only eyeWitness to identify Gable as the murderer?
Uh-huh
Were you there?
Were you?
No
Jodie SWearingen could be trying to throW suspicions on a dead man
in order to get out from under the informant label, don`t you think?
But Jodie SWearingen is not the only person...
...Who believes that Tim Natividad... Liz! Liz!
...may have been involved in the murder of Michael Francke
His former girlfriend Elizabeth Godlove
had this to say about her memory of that time
About...then... the night of the seventeenth
Tim came home real late one night around three o`clock...
Is he asleep?
and I noticed that he...
I noticed that he had a Wound on I think his loWer left leg, and bandaged
I asked him; What happened he said he`ve been a fight
And I also noticed that he had a...
like...
a big red sore on his head on his forehead
And, I asked hoW he got that
and he said he bumped his head real hard and busted it open
Did he carry Weapons?
He almost alWays carried a boot knife
Almost alWays
HoW Was he behaving the night he came in at three in the morning?
He scared...
he scared me real bad
His behavior Was just unreal. He Would...
He Was really...
you knoW, he`d cry and he`d shake
and he Was real violent toWard me
He Was freaked out of his mind
had something to do With the murder of Michael Francke?
Look, the State`s position is that there is absolutely no connection
betWeen Timothy Natividad and the death of Michael Francke
What you`re telling me is speculation and rumor
That doesn`t make a connection
We`ve seen no actual statements about eyeWitnesses to the murder
or direct admissions by Mister Natividad
The cops What? Jesus Christ! Come on
We`re comin`! We`re comin`! Jesus Christ
Hold your horses Kevin!
Sergeant?
Can We come in? We need to talk to Liz
About What?
Liz, We need to talk to you about an intervieW that you gave
Sure
This is Detective Bennett and Detective Stark
Shall We go in here?
Sure
Why don`t We step outside I`d like to have a talk With you
Uh, no. I`ll stay here. Thank you
Come on. We can do tWo things at once
They need to talk to Liz Well, that`s fine
They can talk to Liz right noW
I Want to hear What she has to say and What you have to say
What`s the problem?
I Want to take some notes
We`ll take notes, that`s our job
I`m not going to say anything
You Won`t even knoW I`m here
I`m just going to Write doWn everything she says
Go With Bennett, Kevin
No
Why not?
Because it`s my house
I Wasn`t...
is this true?
Okay. Okay, okay, okay
Everybody just sit doWn and We`ll talk
Our concern Liz is hoW certain your memory
is that Tim came home Wounded on the seventeenth of January
the morning of the eighteenth
Well, it Was around then
It`s aWful hard to be real certain
Well, if you had to say betWeen one and ten
ten being absolutely certain What Would you be in this? A tWo?
No, It`s more like a six or a seven
Oh Well, that`s aWful high Why don`t We split the difference?
Why don`t you say a three or a four?
Why don`t you just say it never happened?
I thought you said you Weren`t going to interrupt, Kevin?
Why don`t We just say it never happened, Gordon?
And We`ll go on With the investigation Without you?
You`re interfering in a police matter
And you`re not listening to her
What do you for a living, Kevin?
It`s none of your business, Sergeant
Do you have a job?
Liz here Works as a Chinese restaurant
We knoW about her. What about you?
Yu knoW, I bet you didn`t pay attention in school either, did ya?
We`re trying to determine When something happened here
Then Why don`t you listen to her?
Who felt they could do it better than We can
but that`s not hoW it Works
Then Why don`t you stop grooming her testimony?
What are you afraid of, Sergeant? Who are you afraid of?
You knoW, somebody...
Who are you protecting, huh?
Somebody`s gonna get you
Why don`t you listen to the citizens of this state?
One of those guys is gonna get you
Who`s payroll are you on, Unsoeld? One of those...
I find that an offensive gesture
You are messing With the Wrong...
I find it physically offensive You are stepping on the Wrong toes
Who`s toes are We talking about Gordon?
You better keep your ass out of these places, Kevin
because When they go doWn you`re going doWn With them!
Are you threatening me? I don`t need to threaten you
You`re a dead man No. He is threatening me!
You don`t fucking threaten me in my house!
It`s not my fault! You don`t belong here!
This is my house!
Fuck you! You don`t belong here!
It`s my fucking house!
I do belong here, you understand me?
Come on, Gordon! Let`s get out of here You`re a dead man!
Oh yeah? You`re dead!
Do it! Fucking do it!
She said she`s sixty to seventy percent sure of something
and yet do you even give a fuck?
Go get dressed, honey
Frank Gable doesn`t have the balls to kill anybody
You knoW him pretty Well? Yeah
Be back in a minute, Ma
Yeah, he`s a folloWer, not a leader
Doesn`t have the guts to stand up for anything
Here it is
If you straighten it up a little bit it`s yours to stay in as long as you like
Okay
I don`t think it`ll happen
What?
I don`t think it`s gonna come out at the trial
What`s not gonna come out in the trial? Tim Natividad?
His name Will come up
It`s not gonna come up
What happens When Jodie gets on the Witness stand?
She`s not gonna say she thinks Natividad did it?
She`s going to be instructed not to mention his name
By Who?
The Court
Why? The Prosecution asked it
What about Bob Crace?
Liz?
T.J.?
No. The jury`s not gonna hear his name
They`re not going to see Natividad`s picture
and compare it to the composite
No
But Natividad is Where the proof of the conspiracy is
That`s right
This is Wrong!
Natividad is Where the reasonable doubt is
Maybe Gable Was there but he Wasn`t there alone
Natividad Was there
Can you say something? What do you think?
There you go
Did Olecutt find Jodie?
No. I think she`s about to drop out of sight again
If you had to find her...
I mean, can you help me?
Hello, Jodie? Yeah
Get off the fuckin` phone!
This is Kevin Francke I`d like to talk to you
Get off!
I just Want to talk to you, Jodie I`m not going to hurt you or anything
God, I bet you really feel fucked up about it
About What?
I`ve been thinking about this forever
It just goes on and on and on...
I`ll screW it up
I can`t even talk
``Everything`s going to be okay`` they said, you believe that?
Who said that? The fucking cops
Those polygraph tests are so fucked They are
They aren`t for real
Unsoeld Was so mad
he Was slamming things around the room
He thought he Was going to intimidate me
I Was laughing at him
He Was spitting on his himself
he Was so pissed
They`re full of shit!
You`re all fucking full of shit!
You don`t give a shit about that do you?
That`s Why I`m gonna kill that bitch some day
That`s What I told the cops I started saying
``Well, you guys don`t give a fuck about people that get killed
Who have something to do With drugs and stuff like that?``
And on and on and on
``What about Natividad?`` I said
What did they say then?
They stopped taking notes
Do you knoW Who killed my brother
Don`t Want to say Might flush you
Huh?
might have to flush you
It just got real dark
and I Was so high
He...kinda took...
...long strides up behind your brother as he opened the car door
and grabbed him his left hand on your brother`s shoulder
and he turned this Way
and he stabbed him and stabbed him!
Who stabbed my brother?
Who, Jodie, Who?
That`s the place Tim met that guy
What guy?
A ``suit``. Different
What guy?
He got in trouble in the state in um...
and When he left, in um... in Arizona or some place
because I saW his picture in the paper He got busted in some...some...
some sex deal
Do you remember his name?
It Was in the paper
He Was a state official here before
What kind of official?
Do you remember his name?
Uh-huh. It Was in the paper
Salem paper?
Uhhuh. Yeah
Did you tell the cops?
Yeah
What did they say?
Man, fuck them!
After We left
this guy and Tim drove around and he shoWed me a house
he Was gonna buy
He had lots of money
Is this before Mike Was killed?
Let me out here
I can...I can take you back
No, here
Here! Let me out! Alright...Jodie
Who killed my brother?
Let me out! Here! Let me out!
Here! Let me out here! Alright! Just...listen
Who killed my brother?
Wait. Jodie! Jodie! Wait! Jodie...
Our first Witness, Your Honor is going to be Jodie SWearingen
Would you come right up here Miss SWearingen?
We need to have you sWorn in this morning
Would you please remain standing? Raise your right hand
This lady`s going to give you an oath this morning
Under penalty of perjury do you solemnly sWear that the testimony
you are about to give shall be the truth
the Whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Yes
Frank Gable Was convicted of murder today
for the stabbing death of Corrections Director Michael Francke
He noW faces a mini-trial to determine
if the State of Oregon Will kill him With a lethal injection
Reaction to the verdict Was mixed
This verdict validates What I`ve been saying for some time
Gable, acting alone, killed Francke
I think We can noW lay to rest all the speculation and...
...media stories about conspiracies
multiple assailants and cover-ups
They heard the facts
That`s What this system is and it`s a good system and it Works
I`m shocked. Uh, I don`t...
I don`t think Frank did it
I knoW he didn`t do it We did enough investigating
Some of it just didn`t make it to the jury for Whatever reason
Like What? What didn`t make it to the jury?
Evidence that other people Were involved in the murder
That the crime Was planned and talked about before it happened
The jury heard Jodie SWearingen sWear to tell the Whole truth
but they didn`t hear the court instruct her not to
Driver!
Put your hands up in the air Where We can see them!
With your left hand
remove the keys from the ignition and throW them out the WindoW
NoW put your hands on the outside of the vehicle`s door
NoW open the door With your left hand
Okay, noW exit the vehicle
Exit the vehicle!
I can`t!
Exit the vehicle!
Get back in the house! What`s going on?
Get back in the house!
It`s alright, Bob! It`s okay!
You people get back in the house!
That`s an order! It`s my house!
I`m oWed an explanation! Get back in the house
Come on!
Sergeant! Get them!
Get back in the house!
Alright! Alright! Jesus...
Damn it, Kevin! Get out of the car!
I can`t! My seat belt`s on!
Driver, With your right hand
nfasten your safety belt and get out of the car
Put your hands behind your head
Turn around With your back toWards us and get on your knees
Turn around and get on your knees Kevin! I`m not going to tell you again!
No
I`m not gonna do it
Kevin...
Lady, you get back in the trailer!
Honey, are you alright? Yeah
Lady, you get back in the house right noW!
Kevin! No, no, no, Anthony...
No, no... Kevin!
Anthony! Go With your Mom! No. Come on! Come on!
Kevin! Anthony, it`s okay
Go With your Mom! Get back in right noW!
Get back in there! Get the kid in there!
Kevin, get doWn on the ground!
I`m not getting on my knees
Alright Walk in the direction of my voice
Turn around You don`t have to get on your knees
I`ll face the car I`ll put my hands on the car, okay?
Alright, move! Put your hands on the car!
Where`s your gun, Kevin?
Oh! God dumb shit! Let me get my foot out of the door!
Where`s the gun?
It`s in my car
It`s in his car!
Don`t move!
Where in the car?
Where in the car is your gun, Kevin? Thirteen-eight
sixty-one-thirteen-eight. Sixty-one
Where`s the tag team for thirteen-vector-six?
In my briefcase
It`s in his briefcase!
We got it!
You knoW you could kill someone With this
TWo-eight-forty-one. A family dispute...
Come on, get out
I`m gonna let you go
We have no crime
Tell me, What Was this?
It Was a ``stop``
This Was a ``stop``?
We had a report that you Were menacing someone With a handgun
I Wasn`t menacing anybody
So, What did you learn from Jodie?
That I`m not done here
Be careful, Kevin
The next cop you get may not be as experienced as me
Kevin?
What Was that all about?
Well, I don`t think I`m going to go back to sleep
You okay, Kevin?
Yeah